First can I congratulate the management of this site for setting it up - it has provided me with much support over the last two months of my dreadful experience with Orange Broadband.
I wonder if anyone on here actually knows any names of Senior Management with the company - I am sending a final letter (which I hope you won't mind me copying here as evidence if needed) requesting a pouch to return my broadband equipment and I would like to send a copy to someone very senior hoping that it might encourage them to look further ... unlikely, I know, but I have sometimes found that something addressed by name can slip through the net and actually reach a senior person!
It seems pathetic to suspect that a huge company like Orange would deliberately make it difficult for me to return the equipment and then try to charge me for it, but I met incredible pettiness when I finally told them to cancel the account - not from everyone at Customer Support, I hasten to add - someone called Michael was a beacon of sense (I hesitate to praise any members of the Orange staff as it seems to be a kiss of death - they seem to disappear if someone says they've done a good job for customers!) but the first bloke I spoke to was basically a git.
Here is the letter anyway - it may be of interest to someone else:
7th August 2006
I did not anticipate having to contact Orange again, but am somewhat concerned that, in spite of the assurances of both yourself and two supervisors in Customer Support to whom I spoke when cancelling our account, we have still not received a returns pouch for our Orange Broadband equipment. As the account was cancelled on the 23 rd July I had expected to receive this by now, especially as we are in a holiday period when there is likely to be a delay of more than two weeks in responding to post.
I understand from one of the people I spoke to on July 23rd that Orange are having to deal with a lot of migration and cancellation requests, and appreciate that this may have slowed the process down somewhat (if anyone at Orange is curious as to why customers are leaving, a look at some of my correspondence, both by post and email, and any records which have been kept of my many telephone calls will give a clear and apparently typical example of what many Orange customers have been experiencing over recent months.)
As well as sending a copy of this letter to your Head Office, I am also going to post a copy on an open internet site to provide evidence that I have actually asked for a returns pouch – I am anxious to avoid any misunderstanding which might lead to Orange thinking that I wish to buy the Broadband equipment from them.
Please do not send me a letter telling me to telephone any numbers, but pass this request on internally if necessary – my current telephone bill shows that I have spent a considerable amount of money on calls to Orange (and, of course, to a dial-up service which I have had to use whilst having no Broadband) and I am not prepared to spend any more.
Thanks, site administration for giving me the opportunity to moan and an outlet for my frustration!
Site AdminJoined: 07 Apr 2006Posts: 784Location: United Kingdom
Hello jaybee
I'm glad OrangeProblems.co.uk can be of assistance to you (and the other 800-odd members).
Please feel free to name this website in your letter. Orange are fully aware of this website... With any luck, they may read your post and have that pouch sent to you before they even receive your letter (though I wouldn't hold your breath!!!)
I believe that the CEO of Orange is Eric Absenur. He was also CEO of Wanadoo. It is certainly his name which appears at the bottom of emails from Orange, but whether he actually exists, or is a made up name for email purposes, I don't know.
Thanks a lot for those responses - I can only try the name Absenur and see if it gets a response.
And thanks to you admin - yes I will mention the site if that's okay - well done for fighting back, it must give you some satisfaction to know that you are not helpless - I think that is what so many customers find frustrating; I certainly was prepared to be understanding of technical problems but the support departments just didn't seem to give a damn about their customers. Mind you, I'm sure that you would rather have been given a reliable broadband service in the first place!
Just thought I would post to say that I STILL have not received the promised returns pouch -wish I hadn't bothered buying another wireless receiver! However, Orange have repaid the last Three months subscription without any further prompting from me so I'm going to give them some credit. If they had only made some genuine gesture such as offering me low-cost dial-up then I would have given them the chance to put things right and remained a customer. Sorry to see that so many of you are going through the same old process. Take my advice - cancel - it's just not worth the hassle!
Thanks again for the site it really is great.
Joined: 20 Sep 2006Posts: 15Location: BRADFORD, WEST YORKSHIRE
For those of you who want to write to the top men....
(Interestingly there are no top women listed for Orange.- I am sure female contributors will possibly say that this is the root cause of the problem. After all if washing machines were like computers and broadband connections, we would not get a clean shirt for work until 9 weeks on Tuesday)
ORANGE HOME UK PLC
(Previous Name - Changed: 18/05/2006 Wanadoo Uk Plc.
Ultimate Parent Company FRANCE TELECOM SA )
Address VERULAM POINT,
STATION WAY,
ST ALBANS,
HERTFORDSHIRE AL1 5HE
Directors:
JOHN SILLS
ERIC ABENSUR
Company Secretary:
COLIN CALDWELL
There are 65 group companies in the France Telecom empire.
I am tempted to ask our conspiracy theorists if France might be trying to get one over the (B)ritish (B)roadband (C)apability because the BBC showed "Allo Allo" and they have got their BBC's mixed up?
First can I congratulate the management of this site for setting it up - it has provided me with much support over the last two months of my dreadful experience with Orange Broadband.
I wonder if anyone on here actually knows any names of Senior Management with the company - I am sending a final letter (which I hope you won't mind me copying here as evidence if needed) requesting a pouch to return my broadband equipment and I would like to send a copy to someone very senior hoping that it might encourage them to look further ... unlikely, I know, but I have sometimes found that something addressed by name can slip through the net and actually reach a senior person!
It seems pathetic to suspect that a huge company like Orange would deliberately make it difficult for me to return the equipment and then try to charge me for it, but I met incredible pettiness when I finally told them to cancel the account - not from everyone at Customer Support, I hasten to add - someone called Michael was a beacon of sense (I hesitate to praise any members of the Orange staff as it seems to be a kiss of death - they seem to disappear if someone says they've done a good job for customers!) but the first bloke I spoke to was basically a git.
Here is the letter anyway - it may be of interest to someone else:
7th August 2006
I did not anticipate having to contact Orange again, but am somewhat concerned that, in spite of the assurances of both yourself and two supervisors in Customer Support to whom I spoke when cancelling our account, we have still not received a returns pouch for our Orange Broadband equipment. As the account was cancelled on the 23 rd July I had expected to receive this by now, especially as we are in a holiday period when there is likely to be a delay of more than two weeks in responding to post.
I understand from one of the people I spoke to on July 23rd that Orange are having to deal with a lot of migration and cancellation requests, and appreciate that this may have slowed the process down somewhat (if anyone at Orange is curious as to why customers are leaving, a look at some of my correspondence, both by post and email, and any records which have been kept of my many telephone calls will give a clear and apparently typical example of what many Orange customers have been experiencing over recent months.)
As well as sending a copy of this letter to your Head Office, I am also going to post a copy on an open internet site to provide evidence that I have actually asked for a returns pouch – I am anxious to avoid any misunderstanding which might lead to Orange thinking that I wish to buy the Broadband equipment from them.
Please do not send me a letter telling me to telephone any numbers, but pass this request on internally if necessary – my current telephone bill shows that I have spent a considerable amount of money on calls to Orange (and, of course, to a dial-up service which I have had to use whilst having no Broadband) and I am not prepared to spend any more.
Thanks, site administration for giving me the opportunity to moan and an outlet for my frustration!
I think that the problem is that for everyone who believes that Orange sucks you will find a majority of subscribers who don't have a problem with them at all. If that were not the case they wouldn’t still be in business. I for one think that Orange customer support is appallingly bad for both internet and mobile phone customers but it really only becomes a problem if you actually have to phone them up and ask them to sort out a problem for you and most customers don’t have to do that. Orange probably thinks that for every customer who leaves them, because of their appallingly bad customer support, there will be a disgruntled customer from some other company who will join them. So I guess it's all considered to be 'customer churn' by these companies - to be minimized where possible but at the end of the day no big deal.
First can I congratulate the management of this site for setting it up - it has provided me with much support over the last two months of my dreadful experience with Orange Broadband.
I wonder if anyone on here actually knows any names of Senior Management with the company - I am sending a final letter (which I hope you won't mind me copying here as evidence if needed) requesting a pouch to return my broadband equipment and I would like to send a copy to someone very senior hoping that it might encourage them to look further ... unlikely, I know, but I have sometimes found that something addressed by name can slip through the net and actually reach a senior person!
It seems pathetic to suspect that a huge company like Orange would deliberately make it difficult for me to return the equipment and then try to charge me for it, but I met incredible pettiness when I finally told them to cancel the account - not from everyone at Customer Support, I hasten to add - someone called Michael was a beacon of sense (I hesitate to praise any members of the Orange staff as it seems to be a kiss of death - they seem to disappear if someone says they've done a good job for customers!) but the first bloke I spoke to was basically a git.
Here is the letter anyway - it may be of interest to someone else:
7th August 2006
I did not anticipate having to contact Orange again, but am somewhat concerned that, in spite of the assurances of both yourself and two supervisors in Customer Support to whom I spoke when cancelling our account, we have still not received a returns pouch for our Orange Broadband equipment. As the account was cancelled on the 23 rd July I had expected to receive this by now, especially as we are in a holiday period when there is likely to be a delay of more than two weeks in responding to post.
I understand from one of the people I spoke to on July 23rd that Orange are having to deal with a lot of migration and cancellation requests, and appreciate that this may have slowed the process down somewhat (if anyone at Orange is curious as to why customers are leaving, a look at some of my correspondence, both by post and email, and any records which have been kept of my many telephone calls will give a clear and apparently typical example of what many Orange customers have been experiencing over recent months.)
As well as sending a copy of this letter to your Head Office, I am also going to post a copy on an open internet site to provide evidence that I have actually asked for a returns pouch – I am anxious to avoid any misunderstanding which might lead to Orange thinking that I wish to buy the Broadband equipment from them.
Please do not send me a letter telling me to telephone any numbers, but pass this request on internally if necessary – my current telephone bill shows that I have spent a considerable amount of money on calls to Orange (and, of course, to a dial-up service which I have had to use whilst having no Broadband) and I am not prepared to spend any more.
Thanks, site administration for giving me the opportunity to moan and an outlet for my frustration!
I think that the problem is that for everyone who believes that Orange sucks you will find a majority of subscribers who don't have a problem with them at all. If that were not the case they wouldn’t still be in business. I for one think that Orange customer support is appallingly bad for both internet and mobile phone customers but it really only becomes a problem if you actually have to phone them up and ask them to sort out a problem for you and most customers don’t have to do that. Orange probably thinks that for every customer who leaves them, because of their appallingly bad customer support, there will be a disgruntled customer from some other company who will join them. So I guess it's all considered to be 'customer churn' by these companies - to be minimized where possible but at the end of the day no big deal.
Joined: 13 Aug 2006Posts: 1689Location: Marylebone Central London
No big deal ?? what about the people who have had no connection for weeks sometimes even months myself included a while back, i think paying good money for a service you dont get and some monkey at the other end couldnt care less IS a big deal i challenge you to have the same attitude if it ever happens to you then lets see if its no big deal.
Regards
_________________ ex Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange Blog
"I am tempted to ask our conspiracy theorists if France might be trying to get one over the (B)ritish (B)roadband (C)apability because the BBC showed "Allo Allo" and they have got their BBC's mixed up?"
Nope Ian they are still p***ed off at losing at Agincourt
" I for one think that Orange customer support is appallingly bad for both internet and mobile phone customers
Jerry, CUSTOMER SUPPORT should be what it says support!
Efficient, knowlegable, contactable, able to solve your problem in a reasonable time, curtious, interested, ETC.
If a company does not provide reasonable customer support the company have no respect whatsoever for their customers.
but it really only becomes a problem if you actually have to phone them up and ask them to sort out a problem for you"
I don't usually swear on here, but for ch**sts sake, if you as a customer have a problem, why in gods name should that become a further problem for you? they are there to provide solutions to your problem NOT ADD TO THEM!!!
"and most customers don’t have to do that."
It is of no consequence if only 1 customer or 10,000 have a problem, it is the companies duty to solve the problem, they have taken the customers money to provide the service!
No big deal ?? what about the people who have had no connection for weeks sometimes even months myself included a while back, i think paying good money for a service you dont get and some monkey at the other end couldnt care less IS a big deal i challenge you to have the same attitude if it ever happens to you then lets see if its no big deal.
Regards
If you re-read my post you will see that I was highlighting what I believe to be Oranges attitude to their customers. I wasn't supporting or agreeing with their attitude. I was simply saying that IMHO Orange consider the loss of a small percentage of customers to be no big deal.
" I for one think that Orange customer support is appallingly bad for both internet and mobile phone customers
Jerry, CUSTOMER SUPPORT should be what it says support!
Efficient, knowlegable, contactable, able to solve your problem in a reasonable time, curtious, interested, ETC.
If a company does not provide reasonable customer support the company have no respect whatsoever for their customers.
but it really only becomes a problem if you actually have to phone them up and ask them to sort out a problem for you"
I don't usually swear on here, but for ch**sts sake, if you as a customer have a problem, why in gods name should that become a further problem for you? they are there to provide solutions to your problem NOT ADD TO THEM!!!
"and most customers don’t have to do that."
It is of no consequence if only 1 customer or 10,000 have a problem, it is the companies duty to solve the problem, they have taken the customers money to provide the service!
The point I was trying to make is that the vast majority of customers that use Orange sign up and connect to the service without any problem at all. IMHO Orange do not provide a quality customers support service because they have decided that it is not cost effective for them to do so. Again IMHO Orange see the loss of some customers due the their level of customer support as being not a big deal. I wasn't condoning the way that they run their business. I was just commenting on it. Please don't shoot the messenger.
Joined: 13 Aug 2006Posts: 1689Location: Marylebone Central London
Thanks for reiterating Jerry, from what ive seen the word about Orange CS and TS is getting around fast and has already been slated in 2 papers and a magazine they seem to think that offering disgruntled customers free months and reduced monthly costs solves the problem (same problems but cheaper lol) its a shame they dont solve the problems with their network and train their staff instead of wasting customers money on phone calls to their overpriced non existent CS blaming the customers set up BT or whatever they want im just glad i migrated away (thats another story lol)when i did and while they advertise their gimmicky so called free broadband people will unwittingly sign up.
Thank you for ur response
Regards
_________________ ex Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange Blog
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