Here in france and its the same in the UK Orange give you a silly CD that here in France frequently has conflicts with XP and Vista Mondial. It seems OK with only French versions. But my question is why have it? It takes less than 5 minutes to set up the live box without the disc, 198 etc, admin admin feed in the numbers, hit go and there you are no conflicts quicker connection time less agro.
It takes frequently 4 to 6 hours to disentangal Oranges rubbish from the machines that are "infected".
Further to that the software causes slow connection and also when you use the Orange system you only go on after hitting connect now, but if you do it the way of above add a bewan phone adapter and you have skype on all the time as well.
Mute point also, if you use the disc you also stop yourself having the computer waiting for any other voip.
The CD's over here don't do anything quite as drastic as that.
The reason they use CD's is because it does make things simpler for the very inexperienced and don't require prior knowledge on how to get things running. There's plently of times people refuse to do "technical" things even when it's something simple like checking how things are plugged in or even basic settings on PC's. Anyone with sense on the help lines almost never use the CD's anyway.
Easier!! How easy is the following, open IE, type in at the top 192.168.xxxxx,
select sign in which is admin admin as pasword, put in your address and password, possibly along the lines fti/xxxxxx, and that is it.
The disc still means you have to put in the same stuff but you have to sign in and out of the internet or it will just disconnect anyway, that you cannot receive skype, messegery etc and you have a load of unwanted rubbish on your machine..
I showed a novice how to do it, he was completely confused with the disc, he is french, I showed him the correct way and it took just under 5 minutes.
For eg the disc needs you to shut anti virus, it does not tell you how nor does the book, (yes I know but some dont) not needed the correct way.
Again I ask why the disc.
I actually use a Belkin modem, more secure, cheaper (nothing per month over several years as opposed to paying thru the nose) again setup once you know, 5 minutes.
The disc by the way also has stuff that allows, sends information out, it may be for example that the ISP wants to punish you, so you can be forced to accept say a flood attack which will shut you out of the internet whilst still being on it, if you catch my drift. With the proper way not possible.
Do you really want stuff you do not know about on your computer. It took me 6 hours to disinfect an Orange infected computer as it was in the startup from new stuff, like say AOL only worse!!!
And Oh yes they do, you can use the UK Orange disc to set up in france and the French one in the UK only the language is different!!!
Easier!! How easy is the following, open IE, type in at the top 192.168.xxxxx,
select sign in which is admin admin as pasword, put in your address and password, possibly along the lines fti/xxxxxx, and that is it.
It's only easier because you know how to do it. As an ISP they have to cater to lowest common denominator, which is someone who knows nothing of setting up routers and doesn't want to do "technical" things also following a program on screen is easier than having to refer to instructions.0
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The disc still means you have to put in the same stuff but you have to sign in and out of the internet or it will just disconnect anyway, that you cannot receive skype, messegery etc and you have a load of unwanted rubbish on your machine..
Over here the only one you have to tell to connect is the old speedtouch modem and that's not available anymore, all the routers just have the connection setup which should work all the time after that.
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I showed a novice how to do it, he was completely confused with the disc, he is french, I showed him the correct way and it took just under 5 minutes.
Yes, it is easier, once you know!
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For eg the disc needs you to shut anti virus, it does not tell you how nor does the book, (yes I know but some dont) not needed the correct way.
It's not a requirement, more a request. If it showed you how to turn off your anti virus which ones should it show? The biggest 5, 20, 100?
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I actually use a Belkin modem, more secure, cheaper (nothing per month over several years as opposed to paying thru the nose) again setup once you know, 5 minutes.
It's all included in the package here, no extra cost or paying for the box outright and if you really don't want to be sent it then you're limited to the lower speed starter package.
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Do you really want stuff you do not know about on your computer. It took me 6 hours to disinfect an Orange infected computer as it was in the startup from new stuff, like say AOL only worse!!!
And Oh yes they do, you can use the UK Orange disc to set up in france and the French one in the UK only the language is different!!!
For the livebox probably yes, still apart from the Orange toolbar and branding it just installs some recovery and help software from what I know.
So they do not use the livebox now in the UK, they are not using it?
I thought that we were talking livebox here. You are not telling me that the livebox is now received all programmed up!! Are you!!
Yes it's the livebox, but there's no software to make you "sign in and out of the internet or it will just disconnect anyway".
The cd here doesn't do all that much, setup the username/password, install some help and recovery files, install a wireless adapter if you got one from Orange, brand IE and the Orange toolbar. The toolbar and branding is that only bit I'd really object to and it's not hard to uninstall the toolbar.
Oh, OK then the CD is now different to france, they add a firewall, and other bits like a poor child protection thing, that is useless, they add other bits and pieces that basically if you are not on the internet, when you want to connect to the internet you have to hit first the Orange button, then "se connecter" and then it will connect,--- sometimes.
The last Livebox from the UK that I saw used virtually the same software but in English.. That being an Invetel.
Further it will be found that the livebox will not "handshake" properly with Israeli made ADSL2+re exchange interfaces (although this problem is not confined to livebox!!). When Vista came out the "french" software was not compatible and it took 3 months to sort.
I wonder then if that is when the old software stopped as it could not be made compatible with vista!!
Over here they are also trying to "oversell" the line capacity by saying upgrade to say 2mb when the line will only take 1.2.
Several people I know are paying for 8mb when the server at the local town can only take that for 3000 clients,
And you think YOU have problems. I would suggest though that you run a good antispyware on the disc as you may be surprised!!!
Quick update though, the live box is a good idea and deserves a better look at its basic ideas are OK it the software that is nearly always the problem, at least thats what I have found.
Oh, OK then the CD is now different to france, they add a firewall, and other bits like a poor child protection thing, that is useless, they add other bits and pieces that basically if you are not on the internet, when you want to connect to the internet you have to hit first the Orange button, then "se connecter" and then it will connect,--- sometimes.
Ah that explains it, there's never been anything like that added over here.
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The last Livebox from the UK that I saw used virtually the same software but in English.. That being an Invetel.
Yeah AFAIK they were pretty similar but since then it looks like the CD's are made especially over here instead of being translated french ones. It's probably when freeserve was bought by wanadoo the livebox stuff was just given to them by france so the first software was just translated and since then they've made their own.
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Further it will be found that the livebox will not "handshake" properly with Israeli made ADSL2+re exchange interfaces (although this problem is not confined to livebox!!). When Vista came out the "french" software was not compatible and it took 3 months to sort.
Not sure about the exchange stuff, not heard anything specific about that over here and Orange don't use ADSL 2+ here yet.
The software wasn't fully compatible here either but we were given ways around that as soon as vista was released. For a large company getting a big quantity of CD's, that have been fully tested, produced would be time consuming and reading up on the vista release part of the blame is directed at microsoft who changed a number of things about it at the last minute.
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Over here they are also trying to "oversell" the line capacity by saying upgrade to say 2mb when the line will only take 1.2.
Several people I know are paying for 8mb when the server at the local town can only take that for 3000 clients
No numbers are release on stuff like that over here but broadband here is ALWAYS oversold in terms of bandwidth.
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