I usually get around 6-6.5mb speed during non-peak times. For some time now i have been experiencing really slow speeds between 6 and 11pm. By that, I mean speeds anywhere between 0.5-1mb.
This has been for a few weeks now. like most people I use the net most in the evenings when home from work and find it is crawling along. It is similar speeds or less than some of you on LLU.
Once 11pm is passed my speed shoots up to 6mb+ again.
Is there anything in the the TOS regarding throttling? Its one thing to provide the "best speed your line can handle", its most certainly another when they provide you the "best speed due to traffic shaping"...Its just another method in Oranges arsenal to consolidate its resources at the expense of the customer
Landline contention - 1:1
ATM network contention from exchange to Orange - 50:1
Internet - Anyones guess
I don't see anything to suggest its throttling. With the time of day and the amount of people competing for bandwidth this seems a clear case of contention.
The consistency of Glenhills observations- 6pm - 11pm seems to correlate with throttling.
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With the time of day and the amount of people competing for bandwidth this seems a clear case of contention.
Thats the whole point of throttling no? To reduce speeds of users overall to cope with high demand during busy periods. If hes saying his speeds increase bang on 11pm, then I doubt its because tons of people are logging off.
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Its rare anyone on Orange go over 2.7 meg on an 8 meg connection i certainly never either and majority on adslmax do either.
No ISP should advertise 50.1 contention as it simply doesnt exist anymore.
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The consistency of Glenhills observations- 6pm - 11pm seems to correlate with throttling.
One observation does not mean its a fact. At this point it is purely speculation. There is no hard evidence to suggest throttling. Theres no need for throttling during these hours when contention can have the same effect without all the bells and whistles.
If Orange are using throttling then why not use it to avoid customers exceeding their so called FUP and making extra work for themselves.
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No ISP should advertise 50.1 contention as it simply doesnt exist anymore.
Not correct Steve.
Under dialup, contention was/is based on customers versus modems fitted at ISPs premises and was/is under the control of each ISP.
Under broadband it is based on customers versus bandwidth and is a design function within BTs ADSL network. ISPs have no control over this. In simple terms an 8 meg pipe on BTs ATM backbone network is expected to support 50 customers. As I said ADSL contention ratio for ADSL Home is 50:1. If you go for BTs business (business/office/premium) version of ADSL then the contention ratio is 20:1. BTs SDSL service has a contention ration of 10:1. You will of course pay considerably more if you opt for products with lower contention ratios.
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Tvman if you check BT have scrapped contention ratio on adsl but thats not what this is about its about Orange failing to give its customers the speeds it advertises 2.7 megs seems to be the norm.
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its about Orange failing to give its customers the speeds it advertises 2.7 megs seems to be the norm.
Again, if you are referring to LLU then fine, that does seem to be the norm from reading the various posts from those on that product. But when it comes to ADSLMax it is wrong to imply that customers on this producr rarely get over 2.7meg. I see many here and on other forums such as DSLZone, broadbandbuyer who consistently achieve speeds well in excess of this.
The only way BT or any other provider running a backbone network can abolish contention is by building a network that is designed to handle all customers at the same time at their maximum speed. Just not gonna happen. The costs would be horrific and you me and everyone else would be paying an arm and a leg for such. In a nutshell, contention is a function and integral part of the design of any network carrying data.
And I'm sorry but we will just have to disagree about what you state as being throttling which is unsubstantiated and has no hard evidence to support and contention which by design is there and exists. I happen to believe that if you are going to lump LLU and ADSL in the same bucket then its probably down to contention. However, if you want to separate those on LLU who appear to be capped as opposed to throttling then that a different matter
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I never said there was no contention what i said was that BT do not quote 50.1 or 20.1 contention anymore especially on adslmax and as a result ISP's have stopped advertising the fact.
It may be Orange customers on adslmax get a better speed but only untill they are LLU ed.When i was with Orange i was put on LLU in dec 2005 and like others my speed was very poor from the beginning and when i left Orange in july 2006 Orange still wasn't using adslmax so i had no experience with it with them.
I'm just glad i left when i did.
Thanks for your response tvman
Regards
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stevelondon wrote:
It may be Orange customers on adslmax get a better speed but only untill they are LLU ed.When i was with Orange i was put on LLU in dec 2005 and like others my speed was very poor from the beginning and when i left Orange in july 2006 Orange still wasn't using adslmax so i had no experience with it with them.
I was put on Max at end of last year and got speeds around 6.
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