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BroadbandKing

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:01 am

Joined: 28 Dec 2009 Posts: 388

Well after a long wait, my line has eventually given me a bigger upload speed:

Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 1268 Kbps, Downstream rate = 12500 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: ADSL2+
Channel: Fast
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 9.2 7.0
Attn(dB): 35.5 18.7
Pwr(dBm): 19.1 12.4
Max(Kbps): 15874 1273
Rate (Kbps): 12500 1268

Finger crossed it stays like that! Very Happy

OrangeProblems

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:01 am

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tinytim

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:51 am

Joined: 13 Nov 2009 Posts: 408 Location: South East Essex

Reck wrote:

It's a Linksys 354G v1. A friend, who went to cable, gave it to me when I found the Siemens router 0range gave me wouldn't work with Routerstats.

This Linksys 354G is not a Broadcom chipset router so could be costing you 2meg on download speed so is not really recommended.

This link to ADSL24 gives some router details & is worth a look. http://adsl24.co.uk/support/llu/

tinytim

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:53 am

Joined: 13 Nov 2009 Posts: 408 Location: South East Essex

BroadbandKing wrote:

Absolutely. Very Happy

My up speed varies from about 1260 to 1300 but does stay within that range.

Borednow

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:01 pm

Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 2049

BroadbandKing wrote:

Well after a long wait, my line has eventually given me a bigger upload speed :
SNR (dB): 9.2 7.0

Your upstream SNRM has halved to what it was, that's why the upload is higher. That sure is a strange DLM Confused

OrangeProblems

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:01 pm

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BroadbandKing

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:29 pm

Joined: 28 Dec 2009 Posts: 388

After around 2-3 weeks with hardly any DLM intervention, today I have been plagued!!

Currently at:

Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 1264 Kbps, Downstream rate = 10788 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: ADSL2+
Channel: Fast
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 11.4 6.9
Attn(dB): 35.5 18.7
Pwr(dBm): 19.2 12.4
Max(Kbps): 11655 1273
Rate (Kbps): 10788 1264

DLM upping the download SNRM. Must have had around a dozen resyncs today, not sure what for, as my line has been rock steady for weeks at 12 meg down, 960 up.

I can't believe that my line has become noisy today, I reckon the DLM is trying to see what download speed it can give me for my improved upload.

tinytim

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:35 pm

Joined: 13 Nov 2009 Posts: 408 Location: South East Essex

BroadbandKing wrote:

I reckon the DLM is trying to see what download speed it can give me for my improved upload.

You hope.

BroadbandKing

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:57 am

Joined: 28 Dec 2009 Posts: 388

Well take a guess at how many times the DLM has resynched since 8:15am this morning, in the space of 90 mins?

Around 12 !!!!!!

My line is not noisy at all, yet the DLM is determined to raise my SNRM to over 11 instead of putting it at 10! My broadband speed has now become very sticky, pages take a while to load! All because the DLM is having a right go at my line!
Why can't it just leave the line at 12.5meg, 1.3 meg????? Rolling Eyes

BroadbandKing

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:24 am

Joined: 28 Dec 2009 Posts: 388

What the DLM has put me on:

Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 1268 Kbps, Downstream rate = 10747 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: ADSL2+
Channel: Fast
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 12.4 7.1
Attn(dB): 35.5 18.7
Pwr(dBm): 19.2 12.4
Max(Kbps): 14796 1277
Rate (Kbps): 10747 1268

Borednow

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:50 am

Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 2049

The DLM reacts to the line quality and adjusts only the sync speed to maintain connection.

It doesn't adjust SNRM.

What your router is reporting is SNRM, so it looks like you do have a noise problem on the line.

BroadbandKing

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:52 am

Joined: 28 Dec 2009 Posts: 388

Weeks without any problems, then more resyncs this morning, I have lost count!

Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason: 8000
Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 959 Kbps, Downstream rate = 10019 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: ADSL2+
Channel: Fast
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 14.5 15.5
Attn(dB): 35.5 18.7
Pwr(dBm): 19.7 12.4
Max(Kbps): 11491 960
Rate (Kbps): 10019 959

BroadbandKing

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:56 am

Joined: 28 Dec 2009 Posts: 388

And if I do indeed now have a noisy line, it is 100% outside of my control!

My take is that the DLM tried to see if I could handle 1.3 meg up, which I should be able to, the upload frequencies used should not be subject to noise levels, gave me that speed and then has messed around with my download speed. I don't believe that I have a noisy line but rather the DLM is experimenting with my line!

tinytim

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:56 am

Joined: 13 Nov 2009 Posts: 408 Location: South East Essex

I suspect that the upload speed might be tied to the download profile.

I noticed that on mine when it was stepping up my speed early on. I only got 1.3meg once I was down to 10dB from what I remember.

As you said the other day BBK I've been very lucky with my line.

Borednow

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:59 am

Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 2049

The noise interference can affect both upstream and downstream, that's what looks likely in your example.

Do you have the Routertstats software ? http://www.vwlowen.co.uk/inter.../files.htm

Run it for 24 hours non-stop and log the upstream and downstream SNRM.

Don't forget it's the Target SNR that the DLM uses not the SNRM.

20 meg ripoff

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:22 pm

Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 5

Well after seems ages nearly 2 months finaly im back to the speeds i was getting or there abouts

Connection mode : ADSL2+
Type : Fast
Noise margin (dB) : 10.1
Attenuation (dB) : 39.0
Attainable download rate (kbps) : 8571
ADSL status : Connected [0]

Downstream Upstream
Rate (kbps) 8511 1023

WAN IP address : 91.107.18.3
Gateway : 91.107.0.1
Primary DNS server : 193.36.79.100
Secondary DNS server : 193.36.79.101

Internet protocol : pppoa
Encapsulation : VC-Mux
VP : 0
VC : 38

but what a joke it is-if your like 90% of people you wouldnt know
i really think this dlm is Orange way of capping internet speed

BroadbandKing

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:31 pm

Joined: 28 Dec 2009 Posts: 388

Can anyone explain why today I have had not a single DLM intervention.

Put the router on this morning and all day it has been like this:

Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 959 Kbps, Downstream rate = 12168 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: ADSL2+
Channel: Fast
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 10.3 14.4
Attn(dB): 36.0 18.7
Pwr(dBm): 19.7 11.9
Max(Kbps): 12274 960
Rate (Kbps): 12168 959

Not a single dropout.

So how come my noise was suddenly noisy the last 2 mornings!?!!?
It wasn't!!!

It is just the DLM messing on with my speed after upping me to 1.3 meg upload and then deciding to return me back. There is no other explanation. I have went weeks without any resyncs, then 2 mornings of resyncs which was driving me mad! Nothing to day at all.

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