I was wondering whether anyone could offer any help on this.
For ages, I used my Livebox via wireless to my desktop. The Livebox was on a rather long and old phone extension, so I only got a maximum of 40kB/s download and around 25-30kB/s upload.
A few weeks back, I purchased a 25M Ethernet cable to run between the room my desktop is and the room next to it where the router was. At first it made no difference, but the next day my download rose to 55kB/s.
However, a week or so after that my upload speed was almost completely removed. For the week that followed I had a maximum upload of 5kB/s. You can imagine how much this affected the whole Internet. Pages were slow because I couldn't request them fast, playing online on the PlayStation 3 was completely impossible, and my occasional torrents also completely failed. After a while, thankfully, my upload went back up to 26kB/s, if my memory is right on that speed.
Again, however, I cannot recall whether it was before or after I rewired everything, but my speed has dropped down to 15kB/s maximum. The other day I rewired everything and put the Livebox straight into the main phone socket. Although I cannot use my Ethernet cable for a while now, I am back on wireless for the moment and get around 150kB/s down, however, I'm still only 15kB/s up.
The Livebox statistics page says that I am getting 36kB/s upload, but I'm obviously not getting that. I don't understand why my upload of 25-30kB/s that was reliable for so long would suddenly get cut right down, then only recover slightly.
Can anyone offer any advice on this? Anything to check or test? It is really quite frustrating to finally have a nice download speed (after so long with only 40kB/s - and that was rare) and not being able to fully use it because of the upload limiting me somewhat.
Last edited by It's Just Me on Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:14 pm; edited 1 time in total _________________ Orange = ISP
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OK, well I'll use bits because we're talking connection and throughput speeds rather than data volume (bytes). Your use of bytes seems to indicate that you download/upload a lot of data....correct ?
So your router upload sync is at approx. the normal LLU 288kbps and your download sync is 1200kbps.....right so far ?
But currently your throughput is about 440kbps on download and about 120kbps on upload......still right so far ?
So can you post your router stats as follows :
1. Using the current connection.
2. Using the test socket (if you have an NTE5 linebox) if not using the main BT linebox without anything else connected (i.e. disconnect all phones, Sky boxes, fax m/c etc etc from all the extensions.
3. Also run www.speedtest.net for both 1 and 2 above and post those results.
I do download a lot, which is why it's such a relief to have gotten a better download speed, but such an annoyance for my upload to fall.
You got everything right apart from one bit, I get around 1200kbps download throughput. I used to get 440kbps when the Livebox was not plugged into the main socket, but on an upstairs extension.
Current connection (With phone and Sky box also going into main socket):
Only Livebox connected to socket (Through one ADSL filter):
Oh, sorry about not answering the LLU/IPStream question. I didn't see it. I'll have to answer honestly: I don't know.
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OK, you have a very long line.....at 63.5dB attenuation everything needs to be spot on and obviously your internal cabling isn't.
You are on an interleaved LLU connection. This means that the length of your line from the exchange can cause instability so to ensure a reliable connection (rather than a fast one) interleave operates to correct any errors to ensure a stable (although slow) connection.
Your router synced higher with only the router connected so you have an internal wiring set up problem.
3. Because you are so far from your local exchange you need to maximise whatever connection you have. So it's best if you plug the router into the main BT linebox, the NTE5. By removing the ring wire from connection point 3 and only having connections to 2 and 5, you've tuned your cabling to the best you can get. Make sure that all the extension boxes you have also have only connections to 2 and 5.
4. Your Sky box may benefit from double filtering, i.e. 2 filters plugged together then the Sky box plugged into the 2nd filter. Also DECT cordless phones sometimes benefit from double filtering.
5. Make sure that all your filters are correctly positioned.
Do all this and monitor your router stats and www.speedtest.net for the next few days then post back.
But with an attenuation of 63.5dB don't expect miracles. Your cabling needs to be 100%.....not just inside your property but also from the NTE5 back to the green cabinet and from there back to the exchange.
I currently have no extension sockets, everything is connected directly into the master socket.
Plugged into the master socket is a 3 way splitter for telephone plugs, into which go two ADSL filters. One filter then connects to a phone cable that goes directly to the Sky box, and the other filter connects to the phone and to the Livebox.
I have been planning for a while now to get an iPlate, however, I can't order one until next month, unfortunately. And I'm unaware of any retail shops that sell them.
By double filtering do you mean an ADSL filter plugged into another ADSL filter which then is connected to the Sky box?
And if it makes any difference, the attenuation I'm getting now is exactly the same as the attenuation I was getting when the Livebox was on an upstairs extension, and going through multiple cables and connectors. From this extension connection, I could only get around 400kbps download throughput, but for about a year, I also got around a 240kbps upload throughput, until it fell. That's when I moved everything around and put the Livebox directly into the main socket, where it is now.
I'm going out today and am planning to pick up some new phone line splitters as the 3 way splitter that is plugged into the main socket at the moment is quite old.
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I'm really not too fussed about fully optimizing the connection right now. My download throughput already surpasses the maximum estimated speed for my line, which is 1Mbps. The cause for this is the old phone lines in the rural area where I live, and no connection to any cable services. Though it's quite annoying how people 1 mile up the road get a clear 5Mbps.
What I'm really looking for is an answer to why after so longer time of being decent, would my upload fall down? Even when the Livebox is connected directly to the main socket, I still now get 120kbps less upload then when it was on a terrible extension socket.
However, I will try double filtering, and earlier today I replaced the 3 way splitter with a brand new 2 way splitter. Before there was 1 unused plug in the 3 way splitter.
Quote:
Don't use a plug in type extension lead to run a router, you get line losses.
^ Are you referring to having the router on the upstairs extension socket? Because it was on that, but it's now plugged directly into the main box.
As I said I will be getting an iPlate, but I'm unable to order one until next month.
I will try the test socket when I get time, and which upstream stats are you referring to?
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You should be able to extract similar upstream stats as you did for downstream i.e. Noise Margin, Attenuation. Also your stats should show an Output Power figure for downstream and upstream. This may help to solve the low upload performance.
Re. the extension, I assumed you were referring to an extension cable (like on a reel) rather than a hard-wired extension cabled from the back of the frontplate of the main linebox (NTE5).
As I said earlier in this thread, with an attenuation of 63.5dB you are on the absolute limits of ADSL, so much so that if ADSL2+ ever comes to your area you would not benefit from the increased performance that it provides.
Please try the test socket as soon as you can because the results from there may provide all the answers that you're looking for.
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