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nhyder

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:16 pm

Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 964 Location: Bristol

Noise margin is much better at 12.6 then the 33 you had previously.

Yes with an attenuation of 5, you're almost sat on top of the exchange !!

But what happens when you plug into the main BT socket with your phone line plugged as well (you can't keep plugged permanently into the test socket)

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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:16 pm

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Bizdav30

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:40 pm

Joined: 07 Sep 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Dalbeattie, Scotland

nhyder wrote:

But what happens when you plug into the main BT socket with your phone line plugged as well (you can't keep plugged permanently into the test socket)

Hi nhyder,
Just finished reconnecting the main box and for a change it took around 30 secs for the livebox to get a solid @ light!!
Here are the stats
Speed Test Results
Date 21/11/07 19:34:41
Speed Down 128.91 Kbps ( 0.1 Mbps )
Speed Up 375.35 Kbps ( 0.4 Mbps )
Port 8095
Server speedtest1.adslguide.org.uk

ADSL Top Refresh ADSL firmware version : A2pBT009c1.d17d
Connection mode : G.DMT
Type : Interleave
Noise margin (dB) : 10.7
Attenuation (dB) : 6.0
Attainable download rate (kbps) : 10048
ADSL status : Connected [0]

Downstream Upstream
Rate (kbps) 8096 448

Elhana

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:20 pm

Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 3394

nhyder wrote:

Noise margin is much better at 12.6 then the 33 you had previously.

Well not exactly, technically high noise margin is better but it has improved since the previous results, it's just hidden by the high speed increase as the margin has been traded for sync speed.

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But what happens when you plug into the main BT socket with your phone line plugged as well (you can't keep plugged permanently into the test socket)

Really as long as it's now stable thats unimportant, the attainable is well over 8 meg so there's plenty of room for any normal minor signal fluctuations.

As for the speed, that's the IP Profile limiting the connection now. As long as it stays stable it should go up in the next 3 days, most likely to the full 7.15 meg.

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Bizdav30

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:19 am

Joined: 07 Sep 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Dalbeattie, Scotland

Hi Elhana, thanks for the input Smile

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How do i know if the connection is stable? would Interleave show a lack of stability? and if its not too much trouble can you explain what the difference between interleave and fast ?? i am not so good with the techie stuff Embarassed

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OrangeProblems

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:19 am

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tengu10

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:46 am

Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 13

Well I've plugged my livebox in and its worked...so far...for 12 hours.

These are my test results:

ADSL firmware version : A2pBT009c1.d17d
Connection mode : G.DMT
Type : Fast
Noise margin (dB) : 8.4
Attenuation (dB) : 39.0
Attainable download rate (kbps) : 7904
ADSL status : Connected [0]

Downstream Upstream
Rate (kbps) 7168 288

I'm afraid I just don't understand them and what the values should be! Can anyone help? When the livebox goes...and I'm sure it will...what do I say to CS? Is it the livebox or the line????

Thanks!

Bizdav30

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:30 pm

Joined: 07 Sep 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Dalbeattie, Scotland

well congrats tengu10 on what looks like a good connection!!!
If i was you i would run a few speed tests once or twice a day and record the results just in case.

tengu10

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:40 pm

Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 13

Thanks!

Just out of interest what sort of values/ranges are good/moderate/bad for noise and attenuation??

Elhana

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:41 pm

Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 3394

There's just 2 things to look at for connection stability.

1. The longer the connection stays connected at a time. On the livebox Services > Internet page it will show the sync time. Longer is better.

2. If your connection does drop then it's useful to see what sync (downstream rate on System Information) you get on the reconnection. If this stays roughly the same then thats good, more it goes up or down the less stable it is.

The odd reconnection isn't too much of a problem once or twice a day at most really.

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Bizdav30

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:40 pm

Joined: 07 Sep 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Dalbeattie, Scotland

Thanks Again Elhana,

I think i am starting to grasp the concept of whats involved with the livebox. Great forum!!!

Elhana

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:49 am

Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 3394

Well all the line stats and connection stuff is pretty generic and applies to practically all routers. Just I know the livebox well enough I know where to look for stuff and what to expect.

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Bizdav30

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:55 am

Joined: 07 Sep 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Dalbeattie, Scotland

Here are the latest stats: been connected for 1 day 12hours 27mins

IP profile for your line is - 135 kbps
DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM) 8096 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 121 kbps

ADSL Top Refresh ADSL firmware version : A2pBT009c1.d17d
Connection mode : G.DMT
Type : Interleave
Noise margin (dB) : 10.7
Attenuation (dB) : 6.0
Attainable download rate (kbps) : 10048
ADSL status : Connected [0]

Downstream Upstream
Rate (kbps) 8096 448

Speed Test Results
Date 23/11/07 07:49:26
Speed Down 128.34 Kbps ( 0.1 Mbps )
Speed Up 375.61 Kbps ( 0.4 Mbps )
Port 8095
Server speedtest1.adslguide.org

Elhana

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:59 am

Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 3394

Bizdav30 wrote:

Here are the latest stats: been connected for 1 day 12hours 27mins

IP profile for your line is - 135 kbps
DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM) 8096 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)

Good so far. It's looks pretty stable at 8 meg and hopefully you won't get any, or just the odd rare reconnection. Just a matter of waiting for the IP Profile to change now.

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davelong

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:51 am

Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 15 Location: Clitheroe

Orange are a bunch of poorly trained monkeys that tell you lies.

Leave them now and get another ISP.

Talk Talk offer free broadband with a telephone package.

All my problems were resolved when I left Orange

sweeperdog

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:53 am

Joined: 27 May 2006 Posts: 781

Dave
I see you've registered on the sister site talktalkproblems.co.uk. I'm glad it went well for you and just hope you don't end up having problems there too!

Bizdav30

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:10 am

Joined: 07 Sep 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Dalbeattie, Scotland

Been connected now for around 4 days 13 hours and getting these test results!!

ADSL Top Refresh ADSL firmware version : A2pBT009c1.d17d
Connection mode : G.DMT
Type : Interleave
Noise margin (dB) : 10.4
Attenuation (dB) : 6.0
Attainable download rate (kbps) : 10048
ADSL status : Connected [0]

Downstream Upstream
Rate (kbps) 8096 448

Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
IP profile for your line is - 7000 kbps
DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM) 8096 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 6326 kbps

Speed Test Results
Date 26/11/07 07:51:47
Speed Down 5809.28 Kbps ( 5.7 Mbps )
Speed Up 375.64 Kbps ( 0.4 Mbps )
Port 8095
Server speedtest1.adslguide.org.uk

Still showing interleave though so keeping an eye on speeds

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